Episode 43: Penn State Basketball Begins Big Ten Play

Penn State men’s basketball will begin Big Ten play against Michigan State. The Spartans are coming off consecutive losses to Notre Dame and Northwestern. What does that mean for their game versus the Nittany Lions? We discuss that and more in this edition of Nittany Blues. WE ARE!

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Andrew:

00:00:01.79 – 00:00:18.06 

 What’s up Nittany Lion fans welcome back to the Nittany Blues podcast We’re here for another edition of the P S U roundtable as well as some exciting updates and some predictions about penn state’s upcoming basketball game against the michigan state Spartans So Vince why don’t you kick us off here What do you got for the round table

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Vince:

00:00:18.62 – 00:00:35.49 

 We got tons of news today Men’s basketball They will have their first Big 10 game on Wednesday at 6:30 in the B J C Uh They are six and two on the season They’ll be playing number 20 michigan and this weekend on saturday they’ll be at number 16 Illinois at noon

Vince:

00:00:35.73 – 00:01:01.64 

 Women’s basketball had a little bit of a stumble They lost in double overtime just like the men did on the road at Minnesota 98 to 96 they missed the game tying layup but kind of as time expired So heartbreaking loss with lady lines as they dropped their second consecutive game They’ll be home thursday at seven p.m. Versus indiana Or they will return to Big 10 play

Vince:

00:01:01.94 – 00:01:18.03 

 and they will also be home this weekend versus west Virginia Sunday at four p.m. The women’s volleyball team continued their role in the N C Double A Tournament They moved on to the sweet 16 as they beat umbc three sets to none and

Vince:

00:01:18.23 – 00:01:38.96 

 you see F three sets to one So this thursday they’ll be in Madison Wisconsin where they battle the batters at six p.m. This game will be televised on ESPN you and if they are able to advance you will get to watch them on saturday Men’s hockey is back in the top five They moved to 14 4 in the season

Vince:

00:01:39.71 – 00:01:50.74 

 They split their series with number 17 Ohio State this weekend I was at the friday game it was a blast liam So earlier he was absolutely lights out and

Vince:

00:01:50.98 – 00:02:15.85 

 and it really seemed like Ohio State was dominating early but our goal keeper just made tons of great saves and the Nittany Lions were able to eke out a victory 3 to 2 and they dropped another close one on saturday 4 to 3 to split that series this weekend friday and saturday at seven p.m. And six p.m. They will be playing number 16 Notre dame So this is what big 10 hockey is You’re just playing

Vince:

00:02:15.99 – 00:02:25.05 

 A top 20 team every single weekend in the big 10 So a lot of splits uh you know in these big time games But uh you know

Vince:

00:02:25.69 – 00:02:28.43 

 um would you want it any other way Uh

Andrew:

00:02:28.44 – 00:02:29.85 

 No absolutely not Yeah

Vince:

00:02:29.86 – 00:02:35.23 

 absolutely not We’re kind of like the sec of hockey you could say

Andrew:

00:02:35.24 – 00:02:38.47 

 That’s right And women’s volleyball apparently

Vince:

00:02:38.48 – 00:02:40.55 

 and women’s volleyball That’s right

Vince:

00:02:40.71 – 00:03:09.96 

 The women’s hockey team is also doing well They moved to 13 8 and one of the season they swept Syracuse four to nothing and 11 to 3 and men’s wrestling has done men’s wrestling things they continue to stay number one in the country they moved to three you know as they crush rider 37 3 and they beat Lehigh 24 to 12 They’ll be home this weekend on sunday at two p.m. On ESPN You versus Oregon state Um Andrew what

Vince:

00:03:10.28 – 00:03:13.62 

 can you how can you not be excited about penn State athletics

Andrew:

00:03:13.63 – 00:03:28.68 

 Yeah I mean lots of great things happening It would be awesome to see the women’s volleyball team get back into the semi finals or the finals of the N C Double A Tournament especially in the first year of the new head coach What a way to kind of kick off the post

Andrew:

00:03:29.08 – 00:03:51.79 

 Russ rose era of women’s volleyball if that were to happen But you know either way the fact that they’re making a run in the tournament is always encouraging and yeah I mean hockey being as ranked as highly as they are I mean it seems kind of like it has vibes of when they reached number one in the country for a brief period of time and they made it to what was it like

Andrew:

00:03:51.97 – 00:04:02.48 

 the final eight teams of the N C Double A tournament in men’s hockey Like it has a little bit of that feel to it that like if they can put maybe one or two pieces together

Andrew:

00:04:02.67 – 00:04:29.88 

 um And maybe sweep a couple of these series because it seems like they’re like splitting a couple of these series with these high ranking teams which is exactly what you want to be doing if you’re penn State and kind of coming into the season with a little lower of expectations against the likes of you know michigan Minnesota who are both number one ranked teams when penn state beat them But it’d be great if they could kind of get out of those series two and o instead of one and one So it’ll be exciting to see how they continue to do that down the stretch

Vince:

00:04:31.64 – 00:04:40.79 

 Oh yeah absolutely So fact or fiction will penn state hockey finish a higher ranking at the end of the season than football

Andrew:

00:04:40.8 – 00:04:51.81 

 I’m gonna say fact Yeah You know that’s one thing that this hockey team has kind of shown itself to be able to do that The football team hasn’t and that’s beat top ranked teams

Vince:

00:04:52.55 – 00:05:09.72 

 Yeah you got it Um So speaking of ranked teams we have pencil at number 11 playing Utah number eight in the Rose Bowl And this originally started out as a parade in 18 90 And Andrew Do you know what the purpose of this parade was

Andrew:

00:05:09.73 – 00:05:13.8 

 I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that it was to display a bunch of roses

Vince:

00:05:14.17 – 00:05:40.42 

 No not at all So this was just pretty much a spite at the Northeast and like it was just pretty much like Los Angeles area pretty much sticking up middle finger to the east coast and the purpose of the parade was to just display in the middle of winter of how nice it is in California in the middle of our our brutal winters here that we have here in the Northeast

Vince:

00:05:41.14 – 00:05:53.83 

 So it’s kind of one of the things where like a Los Angeles new york battle type thing like a rivalry and you know they’re kind of like sticking up like the middle finger to us with this parade and they’re outside in january

Vince:

00:05:54.18 – 00:06:20.38 

 and you know just kind of to you know do that with the rivalry with in new york and the northeast and you know they’re pretty much saying that they’re they’re better and like the weather is better and that’s pretty much their only sticking point They got they got honest they got the weather and the beaches and we seem to have a good football teams because they added they added a football game to it It wasn’t the Rose Bowl I was called the

Vince:

00:06:20.86 – 00:06:31.75 

 The West or East West tournament game or something of that nature And the first game was Michigan vs Stanford Andrew Do you know what the score of that game was in 1902

Andrew:

00:06:31.76 – 00:06:33.89 

 It was probably something like 9-6

Vince:

00:06:34.56 – 00:06:54.03 

 No it was it was very lopsided victory It was a 49 to nothing Uh Wolverine victory over the Stanford Cardinal and after that game they must have thought it was too boring or something because they did a different sport for the next 13 years Do you know what sport they did the 13 years after that

Andrew:

00:06:54.04 – 00:07:02.34 

 Um Maybe like a gentleman’s duel thrown in there at some point Maybe some fencing maybe they got a little creative with it and they did some

Andrew:

00:07:02.48 – 00:07:07.08 

 like bare knuckle boxing or something like that Am I on the right track

Vince:

00:07:07.67 – 00:07:35.96 

 You’re actually not too far off with the whole gladiator theme and the colosseum they actually had gladiator races uh not gladiator races chariot races for the next 13 years due to the blow out and you know it not being a good football game watching michigan steamroll stanford So they actually did chariot races for the next 13 years before they did return to the

Vince:

00:07:36.16 – 00:07:58.81 

 uh the the east west tournament football game Ohio State was in there once there were some other teams Penn was there So a wide variety of teams to play before Penn State did in the first Rose Bowl and in 1921 where we did face off against the USC trojans and now we’re going to be back here in the 100th anniversary with a new opponent Utah use and

Vince:

00:07:59.09 – 00:08:04.93 

 uh correct me if I’m wrong but I do not think Penn State has played Utah in their program history

Andrew:

00:08:04.94 – 00:08:08.29 

 correct Yeah this will be the first time that these two teams are facing each other

Vince:

00:08:08.3 – 00:08:13.86 

 Yes we’re on the path to start a rivalry here Wanna know coach franklin says

Andrew:

00:08:13.87 – 00:08:18.54 

 Yeah that’s right it’s time to put that into action in the most truest sense

Vince:

00:08:18.98 – 00:08:38.64 

 Yeah but I was reading that that tidbit and it just made me laugh There’s all the all the factoids like they were pretty much doing this to say hey the west coast is better than the east Coast and we have better weather and just kind of rubbing it in our face here as we’re like you know all miserable and you know cooped in our houses all winter

Andrew:

00:08:38.72 – 00:08:40.1 

 and then

Vince:

00:08:40.59 – 00:08:47.62 

 and we beat them in football and then they’re like this is this is kind of boring this isn’t fun And then they do chariot races

Andrew:

00:08:47.63 – 00:08:48.46 

 of all things

Vince:

00:08:48.46 – 00:09:00.39 

 Yeah Of all things And then they go back to football and there was actually a story that does not allow the Rose Bowl to happen on sunday Did did you hear that story

Andrew:

00:09:00.4 – 00:09:07.23 

 Yeah I knew that the Rose Bowl um was never to be played on sunday but I don’t know the full history of why

Vince:

00:09:07.59 – 00:09:35.93 

 So the reason was because back in the 1890s everyone like went to church and most people traveled to be a horseback So they didn’t want like all these horses out in public and you know people around making tons of noise with the parade and what have you So they want the horses to like be startled and going all crazy So that is why the Rose Bowl parade cannot happen on a Sunday However the tradition

Vince:

00:09:36.07 – 00:09:46.73 

 you know that uh what was that The Rose Bowl parade committee you know has just kept that going to this day even though the impact is not near as significant as it would have been over 100 years

Andrew:

00:09:46.73 – 00:09:47.64 

 ago

Andrew:

00:09:47.84 – 00:10:14.36 

 That that is interesting based on all these notes that you’ve given me I think I’ve come up with a brilliant addendum to the Rose Bowl game format I think that before the actual football games played the two head coaches should conduct a chariot race to see who gets to start the game with a seven oh advantage So yeah James franklin and Kyle Whittingham in their respective chariot riding around the football field and whoever wins that race just starts with a touchdown advantage

Vince:

00:10:15.1 – 00:10:17.69 

 Alright Cherry race winner Who you got Oh

Andrew:

00:10:17.69 – 00:10:22.13 

 it’s gotta be James I mean he’s a he’s a Lion man He’s he’s speed

Vince:

00:10:22.14 – 00:10:34.39 

 Yeah And instead of races maybe you have like you know your star running backs pulling you So we got Nick Singleton and kate Ron Allen just bulldozing coach franklin and victory in the chariot race over there Running backs

Andrew:

00:10:34.4 – 00:10:36.51 

 Oh my God yeah

Vince:

00:10:37.11 – 00:10:56.55 

 yeah But yeah so a lot of a lot of cool stuff going on in the Nittany Lion athletics and uh this is a big game coming up Penn State is undefeated at home They are looking to keep that streak alive Um Andrew What are your original thoughts about Penn State basketball facing Michigan state this

Andrew:

00:10:56.55 – 00:11:05.18 

 week Well I would say you know um looking at the matchup from the beginning of the season Michigan state historically is always a tough team to play Um

Andrew:

00:11:05.36 – 00:11:29.44 

 You know tom Izzo just always consistently feels a good team A good competitive team in the Big 10 Um Usually is primed to make a nice run into the N C Double A Tournament They’ve had some some good final four run So I always expect michigan state to kind of come in as the as the favorite team I knew that Penn State was building on a lot of great stuff from last year with Micah Shrewsberry So I would you know probably have guessed that Mission

Andrew:

00:11:29.45 – 00:11:47.7 

 State would be the favorite But I do know um and mostly just because you told me that Michigan state actually suffered an upset recently um along with a couple of other big 10 teams So who knows maybe that’s thrown a little bit of the kind of the equilibrium of the big 10 into a little bit of dysfunction

Vince:

00:11:47.71 – 00:11:50.82 

 Yeah this this conference is just

Vince:

00:11:51.34 – 00:12:17.22 

 insanely good You we did lose 8 to 6 in the A C C Challenge There were a lot of you know close losses there Penn State including them Like if they win that overtime game then all of a sudden 77 and a couple other things go our way you know we keep that big winning streak in the Big 10 Sec challenge alive That that didn’t happen But you had some crazy things Nebraska which is probably the one of the

Vince:

00:12:17.62 – 00:12:37.34 

 You know cellar dwellers in the conference They just upset number 10 created by 10 points in their house Like utterly in saying you had northwestern who just lost a pit um just you know beat Michigan state in their house That that almost never happens And

Vince:

00:12:37.55 – 00:12:49.18 

 Yeah this this conference is crazy because northwestern is one of one of those teams that I expected to be at the bottom And here they are starting off their big 10 slay just taking the Spartans down in their house insane

Vince:

00:12:49.91 – 00:13:14.32 

 Yeah So top to bottom this has to be the best conference in college basketball Like I I know things didn’t go our way in the big 10 A C C Challenge but this conference is absolutely insane Any game is going to be an exciting game I saw that Northwestern was close I turned it on I was really impressed you know by both teams Both teams looked like legitimate teams

Vince:

00:13:14.79 – 00:13:43.75 

 Uh You saw teams that had good in length and uh I think this is going to be a big challenge for Penn State They have a lot of guys that are 6869 around that height and most of our guys are around the 64 to 66 range So you know they’re they’re not only taller but you know the wider wingspans Jalen pickett is not going to have as easy of a time backing guards down into the post just because you know

Vince:

00:13:44.07 – 00:13:55.62 

 you know similar size or bigger than him So Penn State is going to have to get really creative that they will have to knock down a lot of three pointers to win this game That’s what you gotta do if if your team

Vince:

00:13:56.41 – 00:14:23.3 

 is on the smaller side when you’re playing an opponent with a lot of size Uh Michigan state has a lot of different guys that can hurt you One is uh you know the forward hauser and brooks off the bench who gets a lot of minutes Uh those two are really good shooters you got Tyson walker you know who leads the way at the point guard position You got a J Ho guard Uh they call them the maestro

Vince:

00:14:23.46 – 00:14:33.89 

 on the telecast just because he organizes that that whole offense and gets them running He has a lot of assists per game You know really good player out of Coach Bill P A

Vince:

00:14:34.91 – 00:14:57.48 

 So this is a team that has a lot of experience They’re well coached and tom Izzo they have a lot of size Uh this is a game that Penn State is going to have to do some work on the glass And Michigan state even with a lot of good size a lot of guys that are 6869 they did get outrebounded by Northwestern

Vince:

00:14:57.67 – 00:15:17.92 

 Now if if we hit a situation where you know we just are able to play big and has a great game that is gonna be really crucial And Penn State staying competitive with the Spartan team because cuBA is really the only guy we have along with Demetria slowly but he’s only played a couple of minutes this season

Vince:

00:15:18.17 – 00:15:28.17 

 It doesn’t really have that experience and just isn’t ready yet So this is going to be a really difficult test to see how our big markup match up with their forwards

Andrew:

00:15:28.72 – 00:15:55.27 

 good stuff And how do you think some of the crazy upsets and results in the big 10 How do you think that’s going to impact Penn State when it comes time for N C Double A tournament selection And let’s say that they get a couple of these wins over some historically good Big 10 squads Do you think that some of the upsets that they’ve suffered to some lower ranked teams might negatively impact Penn State

Vince:

00:15:55.86 – 00:16:23.67 

 I really do think it could because Penn State has only played two games against power fives and I was Virginia Tech and Clemson and they lost both those games Now they lost by two points and then double overtime So you know as a spectator of this basketball team do I think they’re a bad team because of that No but the college basketball selection committee

Vince:

00:16:24.02 – 00:16:39.05 

 they don’t care about how many points you lost by they care that a loss is a loss and that’s something that they are going to stack up in the resume and they count the number of quad one wins You have quad two quad three so on and so forth So I do think

Vince:

00:16:39.69 – 00:16:59.75 

 you know it depending on how big 10 play goes now If you see Penn State in the top five of the big 10 standings they’re obviously gonna make it But if they if they have a bubble team if they’re one of those bubble teams then you know that loss early in the season might make the difference between the N C Double A Tournament and the N I T

Andrew:

00:16:59.76 – 00:17:05.71 

 Right Right So if you had to pick right now between Penn State and Michigan state who do you get

Vince:

00:17:06.03 – 00:17:31.73 

 So this is is a team we beat last year at home The officiating was really poor I think this was the only game where Coach Shrewsbury got a technical foul that that I can recall watching last year And the team the team really responded to that and and they closed out and I think they won by two not two but like four or six point something like that So they were down by a lot and then they came back and won

Vince:

00:17:31.9 – 00:17:48.2 

 When they were on the road at Michigan State I think they lost by a lot I think they might have lost by 16 if my memory serves me correctly from last year So you know this is a really good program They got a lot of veteran guys Uh they have a lot of size

Vince:

00:17:48.99 – 00:18:01.45 

 however we’re also led by a lot of good veteran players and I think this is gonna be a tough battle in the B J C Along with all these other big 10 games we have Minnesota I think is the only team

Vince:

00:18:01.98 – 00:18:20.14 

 where I I don’t think they’re going to be quite as good Penn State did split with them last year but I think they’re probably going to be at the bottom But right now when you have Northwestern beating Michigan state and Nebraska beating top 10 teams on the road like who knows what cannot happen in this crazy basketball conference

Andrew:

00:18:20.15 – 00:18:20.78 

 Right

Vince:

00:18:20.79 – 00:18:28.37 

 So are there any particular points that you’re looking for Penn State to do in this game Anything you’re looking for them to do to win

Andrew:

00:18:28.59 – 00:18:52.55 

 Well I think it’s uh for me I just really like to see an improvement in the three point shooting percentage because I think you had mentioned that uh their percentage in the game against Clemson where they lost in double Ot was um irregularly uh low So you know I think it’d be great to see them pick that back up because I think that they’re at their best when they’re moving the ball around Finding that open look and

Andrew:

00:18:52.7 – 00:19:16.43 

 And really capitalizing on those opportunities just seems like the offense just obviously is clicking way more when that’s happening and they have to rely a little bit less being kind of that clamp down defense So I’d really like to see that because I think that Michigan state is just gonna look to kind of impose their will as perennial big 10 powerhouse So I think that would do really or that would serve them really well to kind of weather the storm

Vince:

00:19:16.95 – 00:19:45.59 

 Yeah I agree Three point shooting is going to be the most important thing in this game The percentage was was not good enough against Clemson It was in the low thirties That’s not good enough for Penn State basketball to win especially when they are more of an undersized team Jalen Pickett is going to have to put this team on this on his back He he’s the main guy we look to for dribble penetration ken winter can do that a little bit too But Jalen is definitely the best at it and

Vince:

00:19:45.92 – 00:20:02.27 

 it’s gonna be a lot harder to hit three pointers if they don’t move the basketball So if they get some dribble penetration move the ball and make those extra passes they need to make to get some open catch and shoot threes That is definitely their their best odds to win this basketball game

Vince:

00:20:02.71 – 00:20:16.61 

 However it’s going to be difficult This uh Spartan team has a lot of length and a lot of different positions you know 68 so they can guard multiple positions so that they’ll be able to switch on screens and

Vince:

00:20:17.38 – 00:20:32.35 

 you know maybe that creates some more favorable favorable matchups for guys like Seth lundy maybe he can take some some of the slower guys off of the drive So yeah this is this is gonna be a battle I do think the length is going to give us a hard time Um

Vince:

00:20:32.95 – 00:20:44.3 

 I’ll say Spartans 68-64 I think it’ll it’ll be a close one and a heartbreaker uh to open up the season What do you think Andrew Can we get past the Spartans

Andrew:

00:20:44.31 – 00:20:48.37 

 Yeah sure Why not give me 72 Penn State

Vince:

00:20:49.06 – 00:20:52.28 

 1762 I I like those numbers Um

Vince:

00:20:52.91 – 00:21:03.16 

 So we do our Communion predictions for football I think I think we should try to keep it wrong with basketball Give me a fun Communion prediction

Andrew:

00:21:04.07 – 00:21:07.18 

 Jalen Pickett is gonna have a

Andrew:

00:21:07.8 – 00:21:10.83 

 A double double game with 30 points

Vince:

00:21:10.84 – 00:21:24.33 

 30 points That’s a good one Uh My Communion prediction also includes Jalen Pickett So I included Jalen Pickett and Miles Dredd They were oh of 13 combined for three

Vince:

00:21:24.84 – 00:21:41.5 

 My Communion prediction is that you will see them shooting at least 50% from the three point line against the Spartans I think those guys will step up And another thing that Penn State does have going their way is they play really well in the B J C

Vince:

00:21:42.21 – 00:22:10.45 

 Last year we only had a couple losses there Purdue we played close Michigan we played close Nebraska was there really only big game where they got blown out of the water But you know we did beat Michigan State at home last year We beat indiana at home who’s in the top 10 right now So this is definitely a team that can win at home Uh they’re well rested after their trip to Clemson They’ve had a whole week off of no games and

Vince:

00:22:10.7 – 00:22:38.6 

 Michigan State just had a you know a tough emotional battle northwestern on sunday and you know we kind of had the same thing with Clemson and you know Michigan State is a team that is trending down a little bit They’ve lost two in a row Notre dame just blew the doors off of them They beat them by 18 points in the big 10 sec challenge and then Michigan State comes back to lose at home Uh they lost to Gonzaga early in the season by one that was there other loss And Gonzaga is not looking quite as good

Vince:

00:22:38.77 – 00:22:48.82 

 as they did in the preseason So I definitely do think that this Penn State team can beat Michigan State definitely worth turning on the tv and it’s gonna be a battle

Andrew:

00:22:49.68 – 00:22:52.54 

 good stuff and you’re gonna be attending as always Right

Vince:

00:22:53.07 – 00:23:04.6 

 Yeah As always I got my season tickets really excited about my first year being a season ticket holder and you know I think we’re going to see a lot of good things with big 10 basketball this year and Penn State

Andrew:

00:23:04.61 – 00:23:08.49 

 awesome man Great notes So what else you got on your slate

Vince:

00:23:08.5 – 00:23:11.96 

 Uh that’s all I got anything else you want to cover

Andrew:

00:23:11.97 – 00:23:16.26 

 Yeah Did you see the field for the Heisman Trophy finalist

Vince:

00:23:16.27 – 00:23:20.54 

 I did not Who is the Heisman field uh made up of

Andrew:

00:23:20.72 – 00:23:37.69 

 So the four players that are going to be going to new york are Caleb Williams from U S C Max dugan from TCU C J stroud from Ohio State and Stetson Bennett from Georgia So we got four quarterbacks who are the finalists for the Heisman

Vince:

00:23:37.88 – 00:23:43.76 

 Uh those are those are some good guys who do you think is gonna win that game or that trophy Excuse me

Andrew:

00:23:43.77 – 00:23:53.68 

 I think I think I’d probably give it to Caleb Williams I mean to be completely honest I wasn’t I think the past two years has kind of been

Andrew:

00:23:53.96 – 00:24:10.93 

 a bit of a slump in terms of like the Heisman trophy race as it were because I don’t know maybe we were just so spoiled with great Heisman trophy races Like you know like you’re Derrick Henry’s versus christian mccaffrey’s and yet Deshaun Watson versus

Andrew:

00:24:11.12 – 00:24:39.32 

 um I forget who who it was at the time but you know you had all these like really great um Heisman races where these guys were just invincible they were winning every game they were putting up mind blowing stats and so maybe we’ve just become too accustomed to it I mean I think that Kayla Williams has been just absolutely incredible But you know he hasn’t like blown me away like some Heisman quarterbacks in the past but again but you know I I’d still say that out of the four of those guys I’d probably still give it to him

Vince:

00:24:39.51 – 00:25:09.47 

 Yeah for me it would definitely be between Caleb Williams and C C J stroud out of those four Um you know seeing uh Ohio State get blown out by home at home by michigan that doesn’t exactly scream Heisman and uh I do feel like Caleb Williams had a lot of those just wow plays where he was just able to extend it in the pocket so long and find guys open way down the field and USC had that really explosive offense and you know you could tell that he was playing injured in that

Vince:

00:25:09.48 – 00:25:14.27 

 championship game and you know just not having that mobility really impacted his play

Andrew:

00:25:14.28 – 00:25:39.44 

 And I think another another thing like interesting aspect of Kayla Williams relative impact to USC is that you know you saw what that team is when Caleb Williams is not anywhere near healthy like they’re a pretty average team when Caleb Williams is not doing his thing scrambling around just throwing incredible across the body passes and stuff like that So you know in a weird way it’s like you saw just how valuable and how talented

Andrew:

00:25:39.45 – 00:25:42.29 

 he was by how much the team just kind of crumbled around him

Vince:

00:25:42.3 – 00:26:09.4 

 Yeah he just lifted that entire program up with coach Lincoln Riley they got Jordan Jordan Addison to come over from pit and some other skill position players and you know he was just like a magnet that just resurrected this USC program within the span of a year and you know I’m sure their fans really disappointed to lose to Utah again in the in the pac 12 championship But yeah so this is an and Ohio state that they were the same team last year

Vince:

00:26:09.41 – 00:26:25.61 

 as they were the year before and uh you know Caleb Williams lifted them so that’s what heismans do they just lift the team and carry them on their back So I do think Caleb winners kate Caleb Williams does have to be the winner for for this

Andrew:

00:26:25.62 – 00:26:39.37 

 Yeah so here’s a here’s a fun hypothetical question if Caleb Williams does not injure himself in that game So it’s the report is that he injured his hamstring on that really long run where he ran for what it was like 50 or so yards

Andrew:

00:26:39.38 – 00:26:42.41 

 um if he stays healthy do you think they win that game

Vince:

00:26:42.42 – 00:26:52.78 

 I don’t know if they win that game just because Utah’s defense was so good and they control the ball Well however I do not think it’s it would be the blowout that it is

Andrew:

00:26:52.79 – 00:27:01.88 

 Yeah it’s kind of one of those uh sad what ifs because I think that they’re going to have Caleb for one more year to make another run and then he’s probably off to the NFL himself

Vince:

00:27:01.89 – 00:27:09.34 

 Yeah he definitely has a lot of talent Really reminds you a lot of Kyler Murray you know back in his local holidays Uh you know and or Kayla

Vince:

00:27:09.35 – 00:27:38.07 

 what originally was before he transferred over to USC So definitely you see a lot of that game there and he has he has a lot of the talent to be an NFL quarterback especially when nowadays they’re looking for guys who can be mobile Like Kyler Murray Jalen hurts you know to Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes those guys who can move extend the pocket josh allen he can move really well And so you know I think he has a good shot to do well in the NFL draft and here’s to come

Andrew:

00:27:38.08 – 00:27:39.32 

 Yeah agreed agreed

Andrew:

00:27:39.46 – 00:27:42.88 

 So I don’t have anything else man You think we’re ready to head out

Vince:

00:27:42.89 – 00:28:02.64 

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Andrew:

00:28:02.65 – 00:28:05.11 

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